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Yay! Congratulations to my friends Christy and Todd on getting engaged.

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My ink-jet printer is out of ink again, and I'm reluctant to plunk down the equivalent of a really nice dinner for another cartridge.

Thus do I find myself laughing at Cockeyed's Refilling an Ink Cartridge.

While at Cockeyed.com, why not also consider helping to create the single greatest shopper in the history of mankind? History will thank you.

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Hmm, I guess it's grass roots, Republican-style.

Try searching for the phrase "When it comes to the economy, President Bush is demonstrating genuine leadership" on Google, if you haven't already typed that in as part of your search for truth.

You should notice an eerie pattern, and of course links to a bunch of pages like mine talking about these apparently spontaneous synchronicities. (More or less pointed out by Dan)

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america's funniest peace rally moments

In the midst of the peace rally, between my concern for the future of America and my reactionary cynicism, I found something to laugh at.

Several people had dressed up their animals and babies in pro-peace paraphernalia such as peace symbols and slogans about the children of Iraq, but one in particular caught my eye.

It was a sign on the back of a dog that said "service dog for peace".

It took me a second to realize that this was not a command.

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Written by: Mom

Written at: 09:54 01 Feb, 2003

That's my Todd! Love your sense of humor, if not your politics, son. Birthday card will be in the mail soon. Love you!

 
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rallying the anti-troops

Since I guess the government didn't get the memo last time, Julia, I, and tens of thousands of our closest friends attended a rally in downtown Portland this past weekend to protest the seemingly imminent war with Iraq.

And while at some level I'm glad that I went, I have to say that at best, the protest will have little effect on any Bush policy, and it might have done little for me personally besides increase my cynicism.

Of course, when tens of thousands of people gather to protest a war before it happens and the local newspapers effectively yawn, it might be a sign of increased cynicism in general, so maybe it's not just me.

Still, almost from the moment when I first heard a djembe or saw a peace sign raised up idealistically, I wondered if maybe there wasn't a cultural divide between the bulk of the protesters and me.

This was perhaps best exemplified by the abundance of reheated 60s shtick which, while likely warming the hearts of many of the older peaceniks, actually served to stir up thoughts of violence in me towards the people singing "We Shall Overcome" ad nauseam.

I mean, were they planning on singing the song until it was made clear that they had, in fact, overcome? Did they plan on overcoming simply by singing the song until everyone was tired of hearing it?

It began sounding more and more like a threat, this foretold overcoming, and I wished desperately that they would sing "we shall end this song, someday".

I also found myself thinking up altered versions of chants that had once again been dusted off and fit to the current situation:

And so on. I mean, has there been some great dearth in creative left-wingers since 1970 or something such that no one's written a new song or chant?

Similarly juvenile thoughts popped into my head upon seeing many of the signs the protesters carried.

I had tried a few days earlier to think of something I could write on a sign that I would carry to the rally, and came to the conclusion that there is really no useful argument that can be made legible from any significant distance on a standard piece of posterboard.

Oh sure, there are all sorts of clever bumper-sticker-style slogans like "drop Bush, not bombs", and "no blood for oil", but I don't know anyone who actually ponders such phrases besides those who write them.

Maybe I'm just jealous because I couldn't boil my thoughts down to a handful of syllables if I tried.

But who's supposed to care about these signs? Honestly, why tell everyone you're an "acupuncturist for peace"? Does this serve to change the minds of the right-wing alternative medicine practitioners? Or is it just a big middle finger to the establishment as a whole ? AMA and Pentagon combined?

Either way, I found myself pondering what sorts of smart-aleck signs I could bring to some future protest (provided, of course, that this whole Iraq thing doesn't blow over in the coming weeks ha ha).

"Smart folks for peace"? "Mensa members in opposition to the tactical deployment of warheads, nuclear or not, in a pre-emptive fashion"? "Portland Chapter of the Jackie Chan Fan Club for peace"? "Self-referential smart-alecks against war"?

I also considered going for the surrealist vote by completely making up an issue, perhaps with a sign like "dismantle the Troop Cloning Initiative now!" or "android troops are not the solution", but I didn't want to talk to the people who would take me seriously.

Still, such signs would not have been out of place in a rally that sometimes seemed to be little more than a collection of left-wingers and their pet causes.

Okay, you think Bush knew about September 11th before it happened. And sure, you think the government has been sitting on a cheap replacement for gasoline for decades. And yes, let's not forget about the unions. But that's not why tens of thousands of us are gathered here, right?

Not that the organizers of the event seemed to know any better. After a lengthy keynote speech against war with Iraq, thousands of protesters eager to march were disappointed to find out that there were three more speakers, none of whom had anything to say about war or Iraq.

And while I'm thankful I didn't have to listen to the same emotional appeals for peace, I was also pretty sure I didn't show up to, say, protest racial profiling. But, you know, "since all twenty thousand of you are already here ..."

Perhaps most irksome was a lady who went on about how awful Israel is. Now, I'm no big fan of Israel's politics or the amount of money it receives from the United States.

But I'd like to think that for all the words spent telling us how evil Ariel Sharon is, the lady could have spared a sentence or two to agree that not only is Saddam Hussein a bad guy, but he is also probably the worse of the two.

Maybe that's why, during her speech as well as others, a good chunk of the crowd stopped listening and started chanting "march! march! march!" to indicate their desire to stop the yammering and get on with the promised walk through downtown.

Eventually, we did march through the streets, and it was a nice day and the cops were remarkably congenial and sometimes the djembes didn't bother me.

And when my kids ask me what I did before the war, at least I can say I did something. Even if I was cynical.

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Written by: Xy

Written at: 09:23 22 Jan, 2003

Todd and I had many of the same reactions in Washington. We were really happy to be there and to be Doing Something, if only to soothe our own consciences.

But it was frustrating to realize that there was no consensus about what people actually wanted to happen or why. I mean, I always thought of protests in general, and these latest protests in particular, as an uprising of like-minded people, an at least moderately unified voice of the people, striving to be heard over all the bureaucratic posturing and machinations. But it wasn't. This was like something out of the movie PCU.

Perhaps because of that, even with tens or hundreds of thousands of people in attendance, I think the Bush administration will continue to easily dismiss us as lunatic fringe. While there were some good speakers who spoke eloquently and emotionally about the issue at hand, I'm not even sure how many attendees would actually agree that the issue, in fact, was a strike against Iraq, unilateral, pre-emptive, or otherwise. There were all kinds of other causes represented, like people wanting to impeach Bush or overthrow Israel. The center cannot (does not) hold. It's just against everything.

At any rate, the day was not without a few laughs, however cynical. Our favorite moments were when some random Marxist group started denouncing all the other Marxist groups over its PA system -- a bit counterproductive -- and when the cops came to beat down the anarchists (because it's not a protest unless the anarchists get beaten down some).

 

Written by: amar

Written at: 13:00 23 Jan, 2003

az. and i had many of the same reactions in san francisco. oh the hippies! oh the chanting! your alternative chants made me laugh. for some innovative & amusing protest ideas, look here

 

Written by: chip

Written at: 12:06 24 Jan, 2003

I find that the comments are interesting. I like reading this site because if give me a little peek into the ideas and thoughts of some followers of the left. I like how you hear over and over "Well at least I am doing something" I'm not sure what you are really doing then spending tax dollars on police to come watch the protest to make sure the protesters don't trash anything.

I also find it interesting how anyone can view Israel as the bad guys. That is another discussion though.

Just a random thought from a conservative.

 

Written by: doug

Written at: 10:43 26 Jan, 2003

"I like how you hear over and over "Well at least I am doing something" I'm not sure what you are really doing then spending tax dollars on police to come watch the protest to make sure the protesters don't trash anything."

Do you go to anti-abortion websites and ask abortion protestors the same thing?

(FWIW, organized protests are intended to be one method for the public to express opinion. Free speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, those Constitutional rights that seem to be forgotten these days. And the fact that those protests wound up on the front page of not only local papers but CNN [not Portland's specifically, but the cumulative protests] means that at very least there is general awareness of a large group of people who are opposed to a pre-emptive strike on Iraq.)

And if you have suggestions on more effective ways that can be used to oppose policy directions, please share them - we'd love to use them.

"I also find it interesting how anyone can view Israel as the bad guys."

Read Joe Sacco's PALESTINE for one view.

(Personally, I think there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides, and I was also disturbed that this rally was co-opted by one-sided anti-Israel rhetoric, but whatever.)

And, not to speak for Todd, but I think his politics are to some extent like mine, in that they're not about "following the left" but "being horribly, horribly disturbed by what the 'right' is doing". I've never been to a protest/rally/whatever it was before, but I went because of this mounting frustration. I share many of Todd's reservation about the ludicrousness of some of the goings-on at said protest/rally, but even in its imperfectness it did make some vague sort of imprint on the public consciousness. And if that results in the administration deciding not to pre-emptively attack Iraq because it's politically unpopular, then it will have achieved something.

(Says the man who voted Libertarian last election.)

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 02:46 27 Jan, 2003

Dear Chip,

In my world, things are not so neatly divided between left and right. Wrong and right, sometimes.

That said, you should know that in the past ten years, I have voted for candidates from the following political parties: Libertarian, Republican, Democrat, Green, and Socialist. And maybe the odd independent. (No, I did not vote Natural Law, thank you.)

Unfocused? Maybe. Left-winger? Sometimes. Okay, often. But leave the pigeonholes for the pigeons, okay?

"spending tax dollars on police to come watch the protest to make sure the protesters don't trash anything"

Right, because everyone knows that people who peaceably assemble are just itchin' to freak crap up, right? If you had seen the police at the Portland peace rally, you would have known that they got paid to chat to each other, because the protest was incredibly peaceful. In fact, one policeman was so completely unthreatened that he pointed out to a passing protester that his sign was upside-down. What a mob scene!

That said, the amount of money spent on police (the same amount, it should be noted, that would go towards a licensed gathering of that size of any political bent, and which came out of my taxes, not yours), pales in comparison to the price of one stupid bomb.

That's right, get, what, .01% less trigger-happy, and we could pay for a nice vacation for all those police officers.

And who pays for the bombs? Why, all of us do.

So please don't argue that you are in any way put out by having cops sit around on their bikes, maintaining the peace.

Instead, tell me about the 50 cents out of every dollar I pay in federal taxes to maintain the military. And tell me how much each bomb will cost that we drop. And how much it costs to keep a standing army in the Gulf area while we rattle our sabers but won't commit to any sort of timetable for action.

I mean, honestly, tell me about it. You serve in the Air Force. You've got the inside view. Honestly, are you excited about serving in the United States' first official pre-emptive strike?

 

Written by: Josh

Written at: 07:34 28 Jan, 2003

I actually don't see what a protest against a war in Iraq could possibly do, even if the message were focused and free of goofballs.

Don't get me wrong- peaceful demonstrations have a purpose. But I see that purpose as really calling attention to the larger world that there is a problem and a point of view. Take apartheid- I'm sure most people were ignorant of its existence before organized protests thrust it into the national awareness. Who is unaware of the impending war in Iraq? Who is unaware that there are many many people who are against it?

I think this issue is tricky, in that the viewpoints are clear on either side, and you aren't going to get a lot changed minds. Not until lots of Americans start dying.

But then again, I'm very cynical and pessimistic.

 

Written by: Pagan Priest

Written at: 12:27 28 Jan, 2003

People wishing to voice their displeasure with government policy need a new game plan. 60s-style mass protests worked at one time. But they are not taken seriously today. The conviction of the average protester is often questioned today, "Does he/she truly believe in the cause or is it about being cool?" The problem is it has all been done before in exactly this way. The Viet Nam kids weren't following a precedent. What amazing time to have been young.

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 00:03 29 Jan, 2003

Josh: although I really can't claim to know what the political mainstream is thinking at any given time, I would think there are a lot of people out there who think that this war is inevitable and nobody really opposes itm, so what's the point in thinking about it. Or who might have thought that before the rallies hit the newspapers.

And to the degree that the thousands of normal, non-self-marginalizing folk that I saw then went back to their community, that much more fired up for their cause by the strong showing they saw, and talked to their friends and neighbors, who might be surprised that their PolarFleece-wearing Subaru-driving average American actually attended a protest, well, I think such things can be helpful.

Of course, people who are already convinced won't see that thousands of normal people attended such rallies, choosing to focus only on the freaks. And there will always be plenty of freaks to focus on.

But I'm not so sure that America is divided into "geez, I hate all war" and "gee, I can't wait for more war" camps, to reductio your take ad absurdium.

Most people I know (surprisingly including myself) tend to waffle, swayed this way and that by various arguments they see. Everyone agrees Saddam is a terrible leader, and everybody at least claims to love peace. But in the middle is a lot of grey ground.

For those people, I might think that seeing thousands of Americans protesting before a war would be at the very least a data point to consider. And given the ability the administration has to get its message out, contrary opinions are necessary for us to ensure a reasoned public debate.

But to those who would say that protests are no longer useful or are pass? or whatever, I introduce The Game.

The Game is useful when trying to get a group of people to decide where to eat, and its simple rule is this: when you knock down one idea, you have to propose your own. Since, of course, a lack of action is not an option when one is hungry.

Similarly, I assume here that it is a good thing for there to be dissent to the main administration voice, in order that we, the public, may always ask "are we headed in the right direction" and "if not, what to do about it".

If you don't agree with that statement, I'm not sure if I care about your opinion on protests much.

So like Doug said. If not protests, then what?

Pre-emptively, I will say that simply voting when the time comes around fails to address that a lot happens that many might not like between elections.

 

Written by: Pagan Priest

Written at: 14:36 29 Jan, 2003

Solution:
Dress Code
QED

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 15:50 29 Jan, 2003

PP: While I'd be the first to agree that the peace movement (and the left and protesters in general) would greatly improve its image if people looked like average Americans, I fail to see how this addresses all of your earlier complaints, which seemed to boil down to "I'm tired of protests".

 

Written by: Pagan Priest

Written at: 17:32 29 Jan, 2003

I believe your and my views are similar. I consider myself liberal, but I have a love/hate relationship with the dominant culture in liberal circles. Still, I would scarcely consider living far away from it.

 

Written by: Josh

Written at: 18:16 29 Jan, 2003

Surely you agree that there is a big difference between a discussion like this and "the Game." By offering an opinion on the usefulness of protests, I'm hoping to start a discussion around that point. You know, agree, disagree, why. If disagree with a restaurant choice, there's no discussion- I disagree. You can't discuss with me whether I don't like a restaurant.

Don't you agree? I think it's a little stifling to say that you can't express an negative opinion without a positive. Discussions can have phases- first lets discuss idea A, then lets discuss idea B.

 

Written by: Pagan Priest

Written at: 08:29 30 Jan, 2003

I believe your and my views are similar. I consider myself liberal, but I have a love/hate relationship with the dominant culture in liberal circles. Still, I would scarcely consider living far away from it.

 

Written by: Pagan Priest

Written at: 08:38 30 Jan, 2003

Apologies for the double-post. I would only add that according to the rules of The Game, protests should not be held without the proposal of clear alternatives.

 

Written by: doug

Written at: 14:20 30 Jan, 2003

"I would only add that according to the rules of The Game, protests should not be held without the proposal of clear alternatives."

Clearly you don't understand the rules of The Game. If one person says "Delta Cafe", say, and everybody else says "Yes", there's no need for somebody to say "Sorry, we can't go to dinner, because we didn't discuss McDonald's".

Josh, I think what Todd's really getting at is if protests aren't that effective (and Todd and I pointed to some concrete effects in our earlier posts), but every other option is even less effective, then protests still are the best solution that any opposition has to offer, dispiriting as that may be. I don't think Todd or I are under any illusions that a single protest will change the world - it didn't even convince Portland to pass an anti-war resolution, making it the first city in the US to consider and reject said resolution - but it may be all we can do.

But none of that has to do with what's driving me nuts right now - namely, the encouragement of Dubya to send Saddam Hussein into exile. So, if I understand the logic, instead of a tyrant having a relatively known presence in a stationary country that has little support from its neighbors and that we can easily bomb into oblivion at any time we choose, we'd create an extreme Islamic leader with access to the connections to make Weapons of Mass Destruction (if the Administration is to be believed) who is wandering around with no known location and can put together a loose-knit confederation of associates to help plot evil deeds?

Does this latter scenario sound like anyone else we might know, like somebody who has clear and obvious ties to attacks that have done a hell of a lot more damage to our country than Iraq ever has? I mean, not that I'm a fan of nuclear weapons, or even plain old massive bombing strikes, but the whole point of either is deterrence - a point which seems to have been ignored in this whole "pre-emptive strike" nonsense, and a point that is moot when your leader cannot be located.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of exile, but this escapade is seeming more and more butt-stupid to me by the minute.

Anyone who still thinks Gore and Bush would've been the same as President, raise your hand.

 

Written by: Josh

Written at: 17:06 30 Jan, 2003

I read the Game as a complaint about my rhetorical approach. I didn't say, but I thought it was interesting, because it's a point I've made to lots of people- it's annoying when people speak in the negative, and put down something without a positive alternative. It's more productive to always include both.

Just doesn't apply when someone else is saying to me. :)

Seriously, I think the best style depends on the conversational mode. It's probably better in the weblog-reply world to include the alternative viewpoint, to play the Game, while it's more acceptable to speak only in negatives or positives while having a real dialogue, since you'll be able to get around to your other points before too long.

And finally, I'm enjoying this, and would love to speak to more of your points, but my stupid job is making me work until all hours of the night.

Sigh.

And truly finally, it just occurred to me that protests almost never follow the rules of the Game, because the rhetoric is almost exclusively "Down with X!"

 

Written by: Chip

Written at: 11:26 31 Jan, 2003

First Todd I do not appreciate you place on the site my current employment and where I currently work. But since it is your site then not much I can do I opened myself up to it when I commented here. By the way we have sent e-mail back and forth in the past.

Second I just want to address the pre-emptive strike idea. Just answer me a question how many Americans or people of the world need to die before we address the fact that he supports terrorism? I just want a number is it 5,000 50,000 maybe a nice university campus like Rice or Temple?

For anyone that wants to argue that Saddam does not support terrorist it is well documented by the PLO that he gives money to the families of suicide bombers.

Just a random thought from a conservative.

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 18:17 31 Jan, 2003

You know, linear replies can at times fail to be the format I really want, but hey.

Josh: I generally agree with your thoughts on The Game. I'd never thought about what my expectations for weblog-response decorum are, but it would make sense that they're different from those for a conversation.

And that protests don't follow The Game is true, and while annoying, it would be impractical for them to do so. This is one reason I've never carried a sign to a protest. How best to encapsulate "I always think war is wrong, although I understand that there are reasons why countries go to war, some of which I probably wouldn't protest, and it's even possible that I might not find this war so disagreeable if only I knew more, and yes, it's understandable that the Administration isn't telling us everything they know, because that's military intelligence at some level, but it still frustrates me, which is the main reason I'm here" on a piece of posterboard?

No, instead you get clever rhyming couplets and tired cliches and even clever puns, none of which displays any intent to actually think about what's going on and debate it rationally, regardless of the actual mindset of the person holding the sign.

But like I said, the point of a protest (he says, making something up on the spot) isn't to encourage debate, it's to forcefully display an opinion as one body, even if those involved are not 100% resolved. That is why they are effective. And, as we have observed, annoying at some level.

Doug: although Ari Fleischer of course refuses to discuss details, the reading I got is that the United States would not simply let Saddam (why don't we call him Hussein, anyhow? Is this meant to belittle him by using his first name?) go without knowing where he was. But the only thing Fleischer will say is that it's a matter of what the international community decides.

And finally, Chip: Since I talk about where I work on this site, I didn't think it entirely unfair to do the same for you. Maybe you're annoyed that I found out, but you really shouldn't expect more privacy than that which is afforded you by the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP). If you don't want me to know where you work, don't visit my site from work. Besides, those are my tax dollars you're surfing on.

All that said, I thought the fact that you work in the Air Force (in a position that will apparently not see combat, am I right?) made your comments that much more interesting, if not revealing, so I pointed it out and asked for further insight from you, which I guess you've provided.

I think who says something is just as important as what they say. If someone were to comment on my site that they don't think this war is about oil at all, their opinion would carry a different weight if they worked at Exxon than if they were the Sierra Club president. So I outed you to the public. But you had already outed yourself to me. Don't tell, and I won't ask.

As to your question, it's not a matter of how many people should die, it's a question of to what degree Saddam actually supports terrorists, and furthermore, to what degree he, indirectly or not, poses an actual threat to us.

Yes, I am convinced Saddam has some ties, although perhaps tenuous ones, to terrorists. No, I am not convinced that that poses an imminent threat to us.

After all, Saudi Arabia provided the preponderance of 9/11 attackers and also is known to sponsor terrorism. But oddly enough, we're not threatening to bomb them back to the Stone Age. In fact, we consider them some sort of ally. Maybe it has to do with the amount of control we exercise over them, as we had none over Saddam.

I believe to the degree that one can justify war, it should be a defensive reaction, and that was the justification for our action in Afghanistan. That is not the case here. I'm not even convinced we're acting in some sort of time-warp pre-defensive action because it's not clear what actual threat Saddam poses to Americans.

But, to respond in kind, how many Iraqis need to be killed for us to feel safe? How many innocent civilians need to be accidentally bombed, and how many of our soldiers need to die from friendly fire? There are times when the answers might not be zero, but I'm not so sure that now is one of them.

(Really) Finally, just to throw it out, I've read that one reason this might not be a war for oil is that if we wanted oil, we'd have asked for it under the oil-for-food program, and Saddam would have been happy to take all our money. Thoughts?

 

Written by: chip

Written at: 09:59 10 Feb, 2003

All great arguments Todd. I just do not agree with most. That of course is a not so bad thing. As for how many civilians need to die that answer is of course non. How many will is yet to be seen. There is always civilian deaths in war. We try our hardest to not kill them but a zero number never happens. Heck we had 1 civilian die on US soil during WW2 at the hands of the Japanese.

I sit in a position that could see combat in a war. Not likely I will grant you but possible. The Air Force prefers to send the Officers into the hot spots instead of the enlisted. As for knowing those that will be in the front I have a family relative in the Marines that is already deployed.

As for the Oil. I would prefer to allow drilling in and around the US by US companies then to continue this reliance on foreign oil. I know that is not a widely agreed idea but then again oh well.

I would love to hear this groups idea on the usefulness of the UN. That would for sure be for another time.

Todd: I do like your site and do visit it during some down times in my job. Yes I am in the Air Force and love what I do. I will gladly answer anything that I can about the Air Force and the Military as long as it is not asking me to question the orders of superiors mine or otherwise.

Just some thoughts from a conservative.

 
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boxers or briefs?

The secret's out: the best source of comedy, befuddlement, or maybe both is none other than the Whitehouse.gov press briefings.

Narrowly edging out, of course, the official North Korean news agency's Web site.

(What's that you say? The Korean people vow to win in decisive battle against U.S.? And the patriotic youth of Korea, under the leadership of President Kim Il Sung ("the lodestar of the nation", as you may remember) "rendered distinguished services shining in the history of the nation"? Gosh, why does that language sound so familiar?)

But I digress.

From the January 9, 2003 White House press briefing:

Q: The President used the phrase, class warfare, again today, alluding to criticism of his tax plan. Why is it class warfare to point out that the overwhelming majority of the tax cut would go to the wealthiest people in the country?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I'll tell you, it's class warfare to say that there are wrong people in America and these wrong people are not deserving of tax relief. The President doesn't look at the American people and say, I'm from the government, I know who the right people are ... I'm from the government, I know who the wrong people are. The President believes that's a divisive approach, and the President seeks an approach that unifies people. And that's why he wants to work closely with members of Congress, just as he did in 2001, to try to arrive at an agreement so taxes can be cut. And he will fight for the plan that he proposed.

Q: Does that mean that anybody who disagrees with him is having a divisive approach?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think that there's a ... there are ways of disagreeing. But to say that there are wrong people is certainly a divisive approach.

Clever, that. The only wrong people are those who say there are wrong people. And, as we see below, those who say that the benefits will go to the wealthy.

Q: Specifically, is it considered class warfare to point out that most of the tax cut benefits go to the wealthy, as opposed to the less wealthy? And can you give us what the President considers a working definition of what class warfare is?

MR. FLEISCHER: First of all, it's inaccurate to say that the benefits will go to the wealthy.

Q: Regardless of whether it's accurate or inaccurate, if you think it is, is it class warfare to point that out?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think it's inaccurate. And because it's inaccurate, it is used in the political lexicon as a way to divide and to play class warfare in an effort to portray some Americans as unworthy of tax relief and other Americans as worthy of tax relief based on their class. That is class warfare, in the President's judgment.

Q: So someone who legitimately feels that way, they may be mistaken, but you're saying they're not mistaken, they're using it for their own political purpose?

MR. FLEISCHER: The President defines it as class warfare, yes.

So, um, the president wants to unify people, like say, me and a billionaire. And he'll do that by, um, implementing a plan that, how's that go again, will cut a nice chunk out of the taxes that the billionaire pays. And he'll give me diddly-squat. Unity!

Except that Ari points out that it's inaccurate to say that the benefits will go to the wealthy, even if poor people don't tend to own lots of stock (a little known fact outside the beltway, I suppose).

Of course, the president doesn't want to say that any person or group of persons is unworthy of tax relief, so what he's cleverly done is propose a bill that would say that only people with dividend-bearing stocks and other (mostly family-related) qualifications are worthy of tax relief.

Which, you know, tends to come across to normal folk like myself as something like "Dear Todd, I'm from the government, and I know that you are unworthy of a tax break because the stock you own pays crap for dividends and you don't have a family," even though it's obvious President Bush is apparently saying the exact opposite of that, or something.

It's enough to make one hope that Bush will declare war on class warfare, and that we'll eventually start detaining people offshore for secret military tribunals when they mention that the middle class never gets the good tax breaks or whatever. Spit.

Here's a nugget of wisdom from the January 13, 2003 press briefing:

MR. FLEISCHER: The American people are the least willing people in the world to go to war. The American people are also people who understand the need to protect ourselves from an enemy that has weapons that may seek to use them again, particularly after what we went through on September 11th. And this is what the President has to weigh, is when it reaches a tipping point in his judgment that the price of inaction is greater than the price of action; the risks of doing nothing will lead to another attack on the United States. These are the difficult judgments the President of the United States has to make. He has not yet made them.

Sure, sure, we in America sure hate war. I mean, the majority of us approve of sending our kids off to die for some secret reason in Iraq and all, but you know, we're not happy about it or whatever.

But hold on a second. Did Ari mention September 11th? Did he say "an enemy that has weapons that may seek to use them again, particularly after what we went through on September 11th" or was it just me and my emphasis?

Um, pop quiz time. Who attacked us on September 11th? When was the first time Iraq used weapons of mass destruction against Americans that they could use them "again"? Or is someone cleverly confusing Iraq and al Qaeda and all those foreigners over there who talk about Allah ... you know the ones?

More from the same briefing:

Q: All right, and the second question ... we've seen then Governor Bush's record on death penalty cases in Texas. What is his stand on what Governor Ryan has done?

MR. FLEISCHER: The President believes that these are matters that states review under the state laws. He has made no specific comment about what Illinois has done in this case. The President believes in, just as he said when he was governor of Texas, he didn't think it was the purview of the federal government to dictate to the states how they should have their own laws be administered.

...

Q: But under this most recent situation, there's a lot of controversy with it. Does he at least believe there needs to be some kind of study before other states take this kind of action that Governor Ryan has taken?

MR. FLEISCHER: The President does not tell states how to conduct their business. These are individual judgments that the elected officials in these sovereign 50 states are paid to make on the basis of information on how their state systems are run. It is not the federal system, these are 50 different state systems.

Ha ha. Ho ho. Bush and states' rights. Good one.

From the January 14, 2003 press briefing:

Q: Why do you go so far out of your way to say that the burden is not on the inspectors? I mean, does the President think that the inspectors are doing any good? Does he care what they say or what they conclude? Or does he simply believe either Saddam Hussein puts up or shuts up and the U.S. gets ready to go to war?

MR. FLEISCHER: Of course, the President thinks that they're doing good, and that's why he wanted them to go there. But the fact of the matter is if Saddam Hussein is hiding his weapons from them, it makes it very hard for them to fulfill their mission. And this is why the inspectors will be the first to tell you, if Iraq fails to cooperate, it makes their mission very, very difficult to prove whether Saddam Hussein does or does not have the so-called smoking gun. Because smoking guns, as we know, can be hidden.

Q: Well, then, what is the United States doing specifically to help them do a good job? What's the evidence of that good job that they're doing, and what specifically is Saddam Hussein holding out on?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, the question is Saddam Hussein has had a history of failing to cooperate with the inspectors. He has the ability and the means to hide the weapons that he has developed and that he is developing. I think the declaration that he made is proof positive that he has withheld information about his weapons of mass destruction program, programs that these previous inspectors said were there when they were forced out of the country in 1998. And now Saddam Hussein still has failed to account for the weapons that's there. And these are statements that come from Hans Blix and Dr. ElBaradei about what is ... the gaps that are in the declaration.

Q: What help are giving, if we know about all this?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, as Dr. Blix said yesterday, that he is satisfied with the help that he has been getting from the United States government.

Q: But Dr. Blix and Dr. ElBaradei are the experts. They're the ... that's why they're there. They're the experts. They say they need months to get that proof positive, to get the answer to the question. Why does the President think he knows better?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, the President has made plain that the burden does not fall on the inspectors; the burden falls on Saddam Hussein to comply with the inspectors. And that's the judgment of the President, having judged Iraq's past behavior, their ability to fool the inspectors, to deceive the inspectors, to hide things from the inspectors, and Saddam Hussein's motives, moving forward, in terms of whether he has indeed changed and is at this time cooperating. The President has seen no proof that this time he is complying and willing to disarm.

Q: But the inspectors aren't saying they're being fooled, they're being duped. Does the President think that he knows better than they do as to how effective their work can be?

MR. FLEISCHER: I think the inspectors have raised a number of concerns that they have, and they have said they don't believe they're getting full cooperation and compliance from Saddam Hussein. They have found problems that they have cited. And the President is content to let them continue in their work, of course. And the President is looking forward to the January 27th date. He believes it will be an important date. And as I said yesterday, the President hasn't put a specific date on when he believes the inspections will come to some type of conclusion or not. But the President's message is clear to Saddam Hussein, that he needs to comply.

Q: It's not up to the inspectors to judge how effective their own work is and can be; it's up to the President to say if their work is over ...

MR. FLEISCHER: No, I think it's something that we're going to continue to work together on.

Q: But it seems like you've already decided.

MR. FLEISCHER: Patsy.

Q: Everything you say makes it suggest that you've already decided that the answer is that they haven't cooperated.

MR. FLEISCHER: But they haven't cooperated.

Q: No matter what the inspectors say?

MR. FLEISCHER: Patsy.

Q: No matter what.

I just like how that devolves from pointed discussion into "I'm not going to talk to you anymore." Like two lovers fighting. Very dramatic. I bet you'll see that almost word-for-word in an upcoming West Wing episode.

And finally, from the January 15, 2003 press briefing:

Q: One more on the topic of race. Does the President consider racial diversity a plus when it comes to hiring people within the White House or within the administration?

MR. FLEISCHER: Again, I defer on all questions until you see the President's ...

Q: You can't defer something that has nothing to do with this case.

MR. FLEISCHER: I just did.

Q: Wait a second, Ari. I don't think ... I think people expect to have that question answered when it comes to hiring practices at the White House. It doesn't relate to college admissions. I'm asking you whether he believes ...

MR. FLEISCHER: In the obvious context of what is about to happen and is pending, in terms of you being able to hear from the President about this ...

Q: It has nothing to do with the case. It's an issue. Has anybody within the White House ever said that it was a plus, that racial diversity was a plus within the White House when it came to hiring, or within the administration?

MR. FLEISCHER: April.

Whoops. Ari's regular "answer a different question in the guise of the one that was just asked" routine didn't work, nor did his secondary "defer to some upcoming statement by somebody else" shtick. Fortunately, his ultimate line of defense, the "ignore the petulant journalist and find someone with a nicer question" bit never fails.

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Written by: josh

Written at: 07:54 17 Jan, 2003

[holds up picture of Ari Fleischer]

Fight the real enemy!

[tears picture]

I think that most of the time the idiotic ways the policies are communicated (or not communicated) are more irritating than the policies.

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 13:11 17 Jan, 2003

It's true. A more cooperative, friendly person might make me much more amenable to some things Bush comes up with.

As it is, if I'm going to find myself agreeing with anything the White House says, I'll have to do it under my own power.

Smarmi Fleischer (and, I'm assuming, all press secretaries, really) insists on evading, misinforming, and ignoring whatever he wants to, which only leads those of us inclined towards dubiousness to suspect that everything he's saying is a lie.

Props for the Sinead reference, though.

 

Written by: Girl

Written at: 23:34 17 Jan, 2003

I just wanted to tell you that I find your journal both thought provoking and funny. In reference to this post, I've recently become aware that when anyone with a position of some authority, politicians, journalists, lawyers, authors, speak on an issue, they just use debate tactics and almost never actually "say" something. It's come to the point that I actually scream at the tv sometimes. "What do you think I am stupid, that isn't answering the question!" This came up the other day when some lawyer was speaking out against the Illinois Gov who took all those prisoners off of death row. The interviewer discussed how there was a group of prisoners who fought their sentences, some all the way to the supreme court and weren't found innocent until some law students helped them out. One of those men was only 48 hours away from exectution. The lawyer responded by saying that was an example that the system worked. I'm sorry, students save a person when he is just a couple of days away from deat and you are telling me this means the system worked? It failed, failed, failed! If a student is proving someone's innocence, I think there is a problem. I also love it when they say that the system is flawed but no system is perfect. I mean, aren't we talking about people's lives here? It's ok if an innocent person dies as long as the intention was to carry out justice? For once, I would love someone to just say that, so you mean it's ok for an innocent person to die as long as it's for a good cause?

Another thing, why is it that the US is so against other countries having nuclear and chemical weapons when we have more than all of the "axis of evil" countries combined? Actually, I think we have even more than that. I did a paper on the federal discretionary budget a little while back but I can't remember all the statistics. My point is, why is it that we basically tell everyone in the world, except for allies, that they can't have weapons but we can? Aren't we being hypocrites? And why is it that everyone says we are going to go to war with Iraq when we've been war like in action for years. I consider bombing the hell out of another country on a monthly basis war, I don't know about you.

Sorry that I went off on such a rant.

 

Written by: Girl

Written at: 23:44 17 Jan, 2003

Check this site out when you need a good laugh. Also, as you appreciate Michael Moore and if you haven't already, you must check out some of Jello Biafra's CD's. His speeches, not his music by the way.


http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html

 
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surreality programming

If you ask me, this whole reality TV thing has gotten way out of control.

I mean, it's all good and well that Peter Funt is riding his father Alan's coattails by showing us all the humor inherent in phony extra airport security measures (ha ha ha, kids, but don't try it yourself or you'll end up in airport jail).

But when Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says that the failure of U.N. arms inspectors to find weapons of mass destruction "could be evidence, in and of itself, of Iraq's noncooperation," you suddenly realize that, okay, it's all a joke, then, and George Bush isn't really the president, and okay, now this all makes sense, and where are all the hidden cameras, oh there they are, all over the malls and traffic signals and supermarkets and elevators and dressing rooms and sure, that's funny, but please stop the joke I want to know who the real president is and stop it please stop it this isn't funny anymore please please stop.

Ahem.

I mean, if this isn't all a joke, then why am I laughing so very very hard? Oh wait, I'm crying.

But enough about me. This has never been about me.

This has always been about tracking down and finding Osama bin Laden.

I'm sorry, about stopping the terrorist network that bin Laden led.

Check that, I mean about bringing peace and freedom to the country terrorized by the organization that was friendly to the network that bin Laden led.

No, scratch all that. This has always been about Iraq. Iraq has always been the problem here.

We have always been at war with Iraq. Ever since they uh ... um ... did that thing they did that made us realize that we should go to war with them. Again. Or once again have remained at war with them. Iraq. Ahem.

Look, I'm no fool. I realize Iraq's run by a truly despicable tyrant with a history for terrorizing his neighbors. And I'd be more than happy if Saddam Hussein left or was forced out of office.

But I'm not sure that's our job. After all, I'd be more than happy if Bush left or was forced out of office, too, but you don't see me massing a quarter of a million troops on the Whitehouse lawn and saying "oh, but I don't have a timetable for using them!"

I have yet to find anybody who can tell me why why oh please just answer the question why we ever started focusing on Iraq.

Okay, anybody who wants us to go to war, that is. Those who don't want us to go to war have lots of reasons ? Bush has a personal vendetta against Saddam ("he tried to kill my dad, you know"), Bush is trying to distract us from our failure in Afghanistan, Bush is trying to control the country with the second largest known oil reserves, etc.

Of course, I'd like to think that the burden of proof for why we should make war on Iraq lies not with the peaceniks but with those whose plan, you know, involves billions of dollars of spending and thousands (or more) of dead people, no small chunk of which will likely be your friends and neighbors in the military.

But the best I've gotten so far is that there exists some secret evidence that the administration can't tell us about but which neatly explains everything.

Including, one supposes, the existence of an illegal weapons program and maybe what really happened to the Mayans.

But the story is that Iraq has illegal weapons. So we advocate for weapons inspectors to be sent in to prove that they have illegal weapons, all the while touting that the burden is on Iraq to prove that they don't have illegal weapons.

And then, when Iraq fails to prove that they don't have weapons (never mind that we thus far have failed to prove that they do), we say it doesn't matter anyhow, because we already know that they do ha ha it was all a dirty trick.

How do we know? Why, our deus ex machina secret evidence tells us so! Oh, but you can't see it. It's secret.

So eventually we'll go to war and we'll bomb the expletive out of them, but not without sending some, what, several hundred or thousand Americans to die along with them, of course.

And when a mother, stricken with grief because her son has died while serving in Gulf War II, cries out, "Why? Why? Why did my son have to die?" is the government going to say, "We could tell you, but we'd have to kill you. Sorry about your son and all"?!

Or maybe those whose sons and husbands and fathers died get to be let in on the secret, hmm? What a special treat.

You know, when I get all worked up like I clearly am now, I find solace in just one place, and that is the White House press briefings page.

Though it may contain many ideas which make me want to explode, at least I can point to it and say, "here is some apparently unfiltered information that President Bush actually wants to share with me," although, of course, it is all very filtered, through the lips of Grima, I mean Ari Fleischer.

Let us marvel together at the transcript of a recent press briefing, shall we?

Q: Can we presume that the President is very happy that Mr. Blix says there is no smoking gun in the search for weapons in Iraq?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, the problem with guns that are hidden is you can't see their smoke. And so we will still await to see what the inspectors find in Iraq and what events in Iraq lead to. The report that we understand was conveyed in the meeting up in New York this morning said that the work of the inspectors is still underway, they continue to gather information. And the report also cited a number of concerns and a number of problems in what Iraq has been doing.

Q: But it wouldn't be disappointing, would it, if there were no weapons there?

MR. FLEISCHER: We know for a fact that there are weapons there. And so ? the inspectors also went on ?

Q: What's the search all about if you know it so factually?

I'd like to think that Ari Fleischer has fundamentally altered the way English speakers think about their idioms involving smoking guns. It's not that we're looking for the smoke coming from the gun that shot somebody ? no no no!

The guns are hidden, and so is the smoke! And for that matter, nobody's been shot! Of course. So, um, what are we doing again?

Q: The heart of the problem is there is a lack of confidence in anybody speaking the truth there, isn't that ...

MR. FLEISCHER: Are you accusing the inspectors of not speaking the truth when they say that it's not assured?

Q: No, I think they're speaking the truth, and the country won't accept it.

MR. FLEISCHER: So when they say the absence of the particular item is not assured, you accept that as the truth. You agree with the President. I'm very proud.

Q: I mean, the point is, wouldn't you be happy if there were no weapons there?

MR. FLEISCHER: There would be nothing that would make the President happier than there being no weapons in Iraq. And the best way to make certain that there are no weapons in Iraq is for Saddam Hussein to disarm himself of the weapons he has.

Wow! My head's spinning! Along those lines, the best way to prove that there is no God is to have God come down and tell us he does not exist. Ipso facto, presto change-o.

I conclude this entry with a fun application you can try at home.

  1. First, you have to get yourself beat up by someone (we'll call him Person A) who doesn't like you. I leave this to your clevertude.
  2. Next, find a person (Person B), who also doesn't like you, and who knows Person A, but isn't noticeably good friends with him.
  3. Walk up to Person B and tell him that you heard he was going to throw a rock at you.
  4. Ignore any taunts he makes about the black eye you got from Person A and internalize them as proof that he is in cahoots with Person A.
  5. When Person B protests that he wasn't planning on hitting you with a rock, ask him why he has a rock in his back pocket.
  6. When he protests that he doesn't have a rock in his back pocket, tell him that he won't then mind if you stick your hands in his pockets.
  7. When he tells you to get the freak out of his pants, take him to the police station and inform them of Person B's plan to hit you with a rock, and suggest that they look in his pants pockets for proof.
  8. When the police find no rock, wonder to yourself if they are also not in cahoots with Persons A and B.
  9. Then declare to the police and Person B that it doesn't matter if a rock cannot be found on Person B's person, as rocks are very easy to hide, and the mere fact that Person B has not produced a rock (as evidence of his plan to hit you with same) proves that Person B is hiding the rock he plans to hit you with.
  10. While they are still trying to process your logic, pounce upon Person B and punch the living snot out of him.
  11. As the police are hauling you off to a jail cell, explain that it was all an object lesson, and ask if they realize that they're being used as tools of The Man.

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Written by: josh

Written at: 07:47 17 Jan, 2003

good link, sorta relevant to the first part of this article:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/wwwboard/walts.html

 

Written by: amar

Written at: 15:12 17 Jan, 2003

az. and i were discussing this. i think what bugs me the most is that the white house seems so fundamentally dishonest about their motives. it would be one thing if they just said "look, we're gonna invade iraq as part of a long-term plan to 'democratize' the region and reduce our reliance on saudi arabia, thereby paving the way for a more nuanced middle eastern policy that allows us to back out and maybe get some oil." but because they keep speaking in bald-faced lies and homilies, nobody has any clue, so we're all forced to guess as if we're trying to read the emperor's mind. it's so weird to me that a cabal of like, 5 or 6 people (not anyone in the state dept. or the military) can decide to take this country to war. anyway peace rally tomorrow, maybe there will be jugglers

 

Written by: Nathan Beach

Written at: 15:14 20 Jan, 2003

Regarding Amar's comment, I'm curious how the American public would respond to a blatant White House announcement along the lines of (this is completely simplified) "We're trying to strengthen the American economy and need to make sure we have fuller control over Middle East oil, otherwise you probably won't be as monetarily comfortable and won't be able to drive as far. So, we're going to kill people in exchange. We hope that's okay with you." Would Americans be fine with killing people to secure happiness and comfort? I really don't know what the answer would be (on a percentage scale). It kind of makes me wonder after just this weekend having read Ted Rall's illustrated book Real Americans Admit: The Worst Thing I've Ever Done.

Hello Todd!

Nathan

 

Written by: chip

Written at: 12:28 24 Jan, 2003

I find it interesting that the fact we destroyed many if not all of the terror camps in Afghanistan and took the biggest supports of terror the Taliban out of control there is a failure. The goal was never to get one man it was to stop the production of terrorist that where and will more then likely again be used against out country.

As for the men and woman that will die in a war in Iraq they know that the possibility was there when they joined the military. It is a voluntary force and if you don't like the idea of fighting in a war regardless of why it was started then you should not have signed your name and raised your right hand.

As for evidence against Iraq Blix and the inspectors have said that the warheads they found where not listed in the document given to the UN. Thus that is not full disclosure and in violation.

Just some random thoughts from a conservative.

Chip

 

Written by: tODD

Written at: 02:14 27 Jan, 2003

Chip,

Some clarifications are in order. Sure, it was never just about finding bin Laden. The reason we went to war in Afghanistan was because they refused to hand over bin Laden et al. But there was a whole lot of talk about bin Laden, even from Bush. He was an easy figure to focus on. "Dead or alive", anyone? Right.

But then we failed to find him, dead or alive. And lots of his top leaders as well. Sure, we seemed to have made a decent dent in their network (for now, at least), but I think it's pretty dishonest for us to pretend we never cared about bin Laden or any of his leaders in particular. Sour grapes and all.

And that we destroyed many terror camps in Afghanistan is neither in doubt, nor a failure. Indeed, when the United States' objective is to destroy, we do a pretty bang-up job of it.

However, the specific failure I was thinking of was for us to provide substantive support for a post-Taliban Afghanistan, namely in terms of money. Sure, we have troops over there, but the reports I've read (from poison-tongued liberal newspapers, I'm sure) indicate that outside of Kabul, things are pretty much back to the lawless days of tribal warfare. Which isn't exactly the rose garden we hinted at when we began this whole affair.

So in Kabul, things are nice. Outside, it's not clear we've made life better for anyone. Or maybe we have, but we still kind of gave them the short end of the stick.

And sure, right now we have an all-volunteer military, so the people in it are there by choice, and clearly have submitted themselves to live or die on someone else'e command.

But I'd like to think that that's all the more reason to make sure that we're going to war for only the most just of reasons. I, for one, would not feel comfortable ordering a soldier to give his life because, and I say this completely hypothetically, a president had conjured up a situation where by he found he could not back down from an increasingly out-of-control escalation and felt compelled to appear as if he was not flip-flopping or being weak.

No, but then I personally would rather not have to tell anyone to die, of course. I'm silly like that. But if I was in such a position of authority, I'd be darned sure that it was only for the highest of moral reasons.

And I think I'd bother to tell the people under my authority what that reason was. And I might bother to do it, say, a goodly amount of time before I started the war, so that there was time for reasoned, democratic debate.

But hey, I'm an idealist.

We've got one al Qaeda leader linked to a terrorist organization in northern Iraq. And a dozen or so empty short-range warheads. Who cares what anyone else thinks, let's kill some people! And be killed! And again! Whee! Dead folks! Ha ha! Yay! I mean, they're just bodies and all.

In short, I'm not complaining about the people in the military. Because they don't have much say in all this.

("In short" ... who do I think I'm kidding? ...)

 

Written by: chip

Written at: 10:11 10 Feb, 2003

Glad to see that you did not deny the fact that Iraq is not in compliance.

 
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For those of you who are into irony and all that Gen-X stuff, may I recommend the following Web page, entitled Professional Web Designs?

I'll let you find the irony for yourself, if it doesn't crash your computer first.

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If you haven't read the story on Slate about how the press gullibly bought the Raelians/Clonaid story, may I suggest you do so? It's clever. (Thanks, Dan)

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everything old is nuclear

You know what? I really love retro! I just can't get enough of all that old stuff!

I know that saying that may brand me as "square" and "wack" (these terms themselves are retro ? I can't stop!), but sometimes I like to take a break from all that newfangled stuff and relish the good old days.

That's why I was so happy to see the recent Grammy nominations, specifically those for best male rock vocal performance.

Looking at the list of nominees ? David Bowie, Elvis Costello, Peter Gabriel, Robert Plant, and Bruce Springsteen ? one can't help but notice that someone in the Recording Academy loves old music, too. Radical!

I mean, let's face it, rock has only gotten worse since we were young.

Which doesn't explain why Lenny Kravitz has won the best male rock vocal Grammy for the last four years in a row, given that he's no Don Henley or Eric Clapton in terms of rock.

But in today's topsy-turvy world, there are more important things than rock or roll, such as who exactly it is we're going to bomb the crap out of in the coming months.

Fortunately, if there's anyone who's a bigger retro fan than me, it's our president, George Bush.

I mean, we already had a George Bush presidency, so his being president is like some sort of magical time warp for all us retro fans. It's enough to make me want to coin a term like "pretrosidency", but that doesn't really work, you know?

Anyhow, check this out: Bush is such a retro fan that his cabinet is chock full of political blasts from the past such as Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Anthony Principi, Andrew Card, and Dick Cheney. It's like some sort of Circus of the Political Stars, but twenty years later! Awesome!

Which, of itself, isn't enough to earn Bush a True Retro-LoverTM's membership card. Lots of politicians are as averse to new people as they are to new ideas.

But what really pushes Bush into the inner circle of ?ber-retrophilia is his saber rattling of late.

Not only are we currently embroiled in disputes with two countries we've already been at war with (and while I can't say I was really impressed with the Gulf War, I'm so psyched about having a Korean War II, because that almost definitely means M*A*S*H II), but Bush has gone so far as to bring the spectre of nuclear war back into our lives.

Sure, like most people, I'm totally psyched about the possibility of pre-emptively nuking the crap out of Iraq. (I mean, remember how cool those "daisy cutter" bombs were in Aghanistan? Kaboom! Well, think, like, a thousand times more kaboom than that!)

But as a retrophile, I'm not so concerned about the future as reliving the past.

And one of my favorite memories of the past was fearing nuclear war. I remember seeing on the TV news that the USSR and the USA were always tense, threatening each other like in a Charles Bronson flick or something. Tubular!

Some nights, I would look out my window at the Braniff airplanes flying overhead and worry that they were actually nuclear missiles coming to destroy my hometown.

I treasure those memories, which is why I'm so psyched that Bush is committed to bringing them back to reality! It's enough to make me wet my parachute pants!

I can only hope that Sting (who also deserves to win a Grammy because I really loved The Police) will rewrite his gnarly hit "The Russians" for this new era, just like Elton John did for that song about Marilyn Monroe. If you think about it, there was all sorts of great music that dealt with nuclear war.

So in lots of ways, this is shaping up to be a great decade. The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades, as they say.

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Written by: amar

Written at: 10:45 10 Jan, 2003

that song was deeper than i realized. the generation described by doug coupland feared nuclear holocaust. not our generation, the one right before us. unfortunately it's gonna be us again. F*** THE 80's and F*** THE 00's

 

Written by: paige

Written at: 13:32 10 Jan, 2003

I'm not at all a country fan, but the other day while flipping through the FM stations I heard a country song about the 80's. Actually, I think it had to do with the 70's also. The title was "19 Somethin'"...I think. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? If so, it would be a great song to look back at on the lyrics about the 80's and so on to make one smile. Come to think of it, I was born in the 80's. That's enough to make me smile already.

 

Written by: Joshua

Written at: 06:18 12 Jan, 2003

I don't know- I was born in the 70's and I was plenty afraid of nuclear war when I was a tot.

But then the fear was that the whole world would be incinerated. Now, not so much.

But then again, that whole "mutually assured destruction" thing doesn't work as well now either.

 
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